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Lucid City“I think right now Lucid being a full American company at least on paper technically they are able to bypass allw of those tariffs so technically Lucid is in a very good position”@ 4:32 · open at this moment on YouTube ↗
Thesis at the time
BullishThe speaker makes the speculative case that Lucid and Hyundai are likely in advanced partnership talks, as the rumor pattern mirrors the Aston Martin deal (rumored February 2023, announced August 2023). Lucid has the technology but not the production capacity — Hyundai has massive production capacity. A deal could involve Hyundai building vehicles using Lucid tech (potentially in Saudi Arabia), similar to how the Ceará-Hyundai tech deal totaled $2.18B. This would radically change Lucid's production trajectory.
Key arguments
- Aston Martin deal took 6 months from rumor to announcement — Hyundai rumors now active
- Lucid needs production scale: CEO stated goal of 1M+ annual midsize SUVs, impossible with AMP1+AMP2 alone
- Hyundai produced 369,000 vehicles in the US alone — production partner would immediately solve scale problem
- PIF has a separate Chinese low-cost EV joint venture — three-tier strategy (Aston Martin luxury, Lucid mid, Chinese entry) is possible
- Ceará-Hyundai tech deal precedent: $2.18B for technology rights — Lucid's tech is similarly valuable
- Lucid's US NASDAQ listing preserves American company status — bypasses tariffs unlike Chinese producers
Counter-arguments acknowledged
- Partnership negotiations between three entities (Lucid, Hyundai, and potentially Ceara) will take a long time
- Initial deal may require Lucid to pay Hyundai production costs rather than receive payment
The call
- Date said
- Jun 15, 2024
- Deadline
- Jun 30, 2025
- Price at prediction
- $25.20
- Confidence
- medium
- Specificity
- vague
How it resolved
- Status
- unverifiable
Why this resolved this way(resolution audit)
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